Ashbringer and Frostmourne

[Ventec]

want fries with that?

[Gunslinger]

Quote: Originally Posted by Varteras

Didn't Blizzard already say during Blizzcon 2007 when they announced the expansion that Frostmourne will be obtainable? Yeah the stats were probably just placeholders and the description text "Hail to the King Baby!" was a laugh but I don't think Blizzard would go out of their way to show us stats on a weapon and make implications that we will wield it without having some intention of allowing us to do so. Plus they had mentioned that it would be the first Artifact item that players can get seeing as how only GM's can currently have such weapons.

Did you actually watch the Blizzcon video that Frostmourne is in? They said they didn't want to have people using it because whoever gets Frostmourne becomes the Lich King, and they couldn't live with some 14-year-old PvP monkey named Ownsusohard being the Lich King.

[Theik]

Just to add to the whole Lich King drama, killing Ner'zhul (if such a task is even possible) isn't going to cleanse Frostmourne. Frostmourne was forged by demons in the twisting nether and bound to Ner'zhul together with the armor. But the fact that it's bound to him doesn't mean it suddenly becomes a holy weapon once Ner'zhul is gone, it'll still be a demonic blade forged in the nether, designed to corrupt and siphon the soul.

So unless blizzard makes a stacking debuff called 'Insanity is taking over' that makes your character NPC hostile controlled for a while when stacks reach high enough, I don't see how wielding it would make any sense.

[Sindor]

Also keep in mind Blizzard said that we wouldnt be fighting the Lich King for at least a couple content patches.

[Talyn Rahl]

Quote: Originally Posted by Message

Ashbringer: Was once promised by blizzard to the players, even as far as making the drop, starting the chain and then Blizz left us all hanging. I foresee the Ashbringer being obtainable by players, blizz owes us that much, after failing to do so in BC

Patch 3.3 will introduce Icecrown Citadel and should also resolve the storyline of Ashbringer.

copied directly from MMO-C and I think it was mentioned on this site as well, so hopefully when 3.3 rolls around and we get the 'resolve' for the Ashbringer it will either be droppable or not, BUT most importantly we will know, for sure.

the way I see it, there's two was they can do this,
ONE: the Cop-out Loot-wh*re way introduce some long as quest, and at the end of it everyone gets a nice shiny Orange, and we seem whole hordes of morons walking around in there s7 gear with the Ashbringer on there back. This idea fails on so many levels, I can't even begin to describe it.

TWO: The awesome Cinematic Lich King Killer Event, after fighting your way through the various undead/zombie/lichs etcetc in ICC you finally bust open the door and confront the strongest enemy anyone has faced yet on Azeroth, Arthas, The Lich King, and general all round badass, an EPIC battle insues, making the KJ fight look like Vancleef and eventually you drop his ass to 0%
but wait!
He casts some funky Lich King shiz, and the whole raid is paralyzed, able to only watch in horror as the wounds you worked so hard to inflict upon Arthas slowly heal he draws Frostmourne, his Mighty Runeblade and walks slowly towards the raid.
"In the end, all shall serve the one....true.....KING" he cries
and then, a voice echoes from the Darkness "Aye, they shall, but it wont be you they serve!"
from out of nowhere jumps Tirion Fordring, in his hands the mighty Ashbringer, burning with righteous flames, striding towards Arthas as he tries to pin him in place as he's done to the raid. (LoL OP HoF or what?)Then the REAL battle begins Arthas and Tirion engage in a fight of epic proportion, raining blows that would shatter ordinary men, but which seem to not even stagger these Heroes, and finally Tirion seems to be making headway, he batters mercilessly at Arthas, knocking him down on one knee, Tirion goes to make a powerful overhead (Crusader?) strike and Arthas Raises Frostmourne in a last attempt to block it.
The sound of shattering metal fills the air, as The Ashbringer cleaves through Frostmourne, shattering the Cursed blade once and for all, before slamming deep into the Lich Kings helm, rending it asunder and finally slaying the Lich king for good. Sadly no victory comes without price, almost as if knowing its job is done, the flames from within the Blessed Sword go dull and the blade shatters into millions of tiny shards. now that the Lich King is dead his spell wears off, and the Raid is free to move, and can loot him for teh Phat epixx we all love, but no, I repeat NO Frostmourne/Ashbringers drops.

of course they could have them drop and just make Ashbringer pally only, and Frostmourne Deathknight only, as Deathknights have already broken free of the Lich King, so they might be able to resist his powers enough to weild his blade. Hmmm, if Frostmourne was to be an 'Artifact' grade item...maybe only Hero classes could wield them? then as each new Hero Class is released, they get a Raid dungeon that goes with it, and a EPIC quest, to unlock a phat Artifact grade weapon. this would work well if it was one Hero Class per Xpac, and each one dealt with the Lore of said Hero class, IE if Emerald Dream came out, and Arch Druids were released, then they would get a whole bunch of Lore about Arch Druids, fight 'The Nightmare' and get an Artifact grade weapon, that held some perticular high lore for them, as Frostmourne does for Deathknights.

[Theik]

Yeah, Blizzard does all that trouble to generalize gear more, and then they're going to add in class specific, one class only artifact weapons. Makes sense if you're trying to cut down on the amount of disenchanted loot.

[big gnome mage]

forstmore seems like it will be only usalbe by deathknights

[Talyn Rahl]

it wouldn't be a drop Theik, it would be from a longass quest.

[sctt859]

I think two handers will follow the same rule as one handers, were some get labeled as main hand only

[NumberOne]

I hear Frostmourne is usable but not the Ashbringer. The two weapons are equal in polar force. If one can be obtainable, then so should the other one, even if it is near the end of the game. Also about the Death Knight only thing, I think that is not only a dumb-fuck idea, I think that it will kill the purpose of Paladins and Warriors, (perhaps Hunters and Shamans) from being able to make a good time out of wielding some powerful weapon. If the Lich King (Arthas AND Ner'zhul) don't die in this expansion, then it obviously states that Blizzard has lost the ability to introduce new villians and are getting too desperate to keep the so called story alive.

Now introducing the Lich King in the final expansion for the 6th time in a row. Mario and Bowser are fine, because you never really kill Bowser. But are you guys seriously looking forward to killing the same guys millions of times. I am not.

[Shadowscar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Talyn Rahl

Patch 3.3 will introduce Icecrown Citadel and should also resolve the storyline of Ashbringer.

copied directly from MMO-C and I think it was mentioned on this site as well, so hopefully when 3.3 rolls around and we get the 'resolve' for the Ashbringer it will either be droppable or not, BUT most importantly we will know, for sure.

the way I see it, there's two was they can do this,
ONE: the Cop-out Loot-wh*re way introduce some long as quest, and at the end of it everyone gets a nice shiny Orange, and we seem whole hordes of morons walking around in there s7 gear with the Ashbringer on there back. This idea fails on so many levels, I can't even begin to describe it.

TWO: The awesome Cinematic Lich King Killer Event, after fighting your way through the various undead/zombie/lichs etcetc in ICC you finally bust open the door and confront the strongest enemy anyone has faced yet on Azeroth, Arthas, The Lich King, and general all round badass, an EPIC battle insues, making the KJ fight look like Vancleef and eventually you drop his ass to 0%
but wait!
He casts some funky Lich King shiz, and the whole raid is paralyzed, able to only watch in horror as the wounds you worked so hard to inflict upon Arthas slowly heal he draws Frostmourne, his Mighty Runeblade and walks slowly towards the raid.
"In the end, all shall serve the one....true.....KING" he cries
and then, a voice echoes from the Darkness "Aye, they shall, but it wont be you they serve!"
from out of nowhere jumps Tirion Fordring, in his hands the mighty Ashbringer, burning with righteous flames, striding towards Arthas as he tries to pin him in place as he's done to the raid. (LoL OP HoF or what?)Then the REAL battle begins Arthas and Tirion engage in a fight of epic proportion, raining blows that would shatter ordinary men, but which seem to not even stagger these Heroes, and finally Tirion seems to be making headway, he batters mercilessly at Arthas, knocking him down on one knee, Tirion goes to make a powerful overhead (Crusader?) strike and Arthas Raises Frostmourne in a last attempt to block it.
The sound of shattering metal fills the air, as The Ashbringer cleaves through Frostmourne, shattering the Cursed blade once and for all, before slamming deep into the Lich Kings helm, rending it asunder and finally slaying the Lich king for good. Sadly no victory comes without price, almost as if knowing its job is done, the flames from within the Blessed Sword go dull and the blade shatters into millions of tiny shards. now that the Lich King is dead his spell wears off, and the Raid is free to move, and can loot him for teh Phat epixx we all love, but no, I repeat NO Frostmourne/Ashbringers drops.

of course they could have them drop and just make Ashbringer pally only, and Frostmourne Deathknight only, as Deathknights have already broken free of the Lich King, so they might be able to resist his powers enough to weild his blade. Hmmm, if Frostmourne was to be an 'Artifact' grade item...maybe only Hero classes could wield them? then as each new Hero Class is released, they get a Raid dungeon that goes with it, and a EPIC quest, to unlock a phat Artifact grade weapon. this would work well if it was one Hero Class per Xpac, and each one dealt with the Lore of said Hero class, IE if Emerald Dream came out, and Arch Druids were released, then they would get a whole bunch of Lore about Arch Druids, fight 'The Nightmare' and get an Artifact grade weapon, that held some perticular high lore for them, as Frostmourne does for Deathknights.

A few things here....

1. Are you sure 3.3 will be the Citadel? I remember Blizz saying they wanted to hold off on Arthas longer than they did with Illidan, but I don't remember how soon Illidan was released. Basically, they want to make Arthas be THE end-WotLK raid, since the whole expansion is named for him. It may be 3.3, but I think that would leave a lot of room for lame, on-the-spot raid bosses to come.

2. I 100% agree with you on the idea of hundreds of people with Frostmourne/Ashbringer, that would totally suck and take the originality out of the whole idea.

3. I'm pretty sure your cinematic duel thing would not work, in all honesty. It would be cool as hell, but there was a quest where Arthas and Tirion fought each other (two, actually). When Tirion fought Arthas on unholy ground (and Icecrown Citadel could ONLY be considered unholy), he was beaten badly. So, it would have to be some uber help from gods or something to have him win there. But again, I'm not sure how things will work.

In any case, good post, but I don't want to agree with you til I learn more about all this.


Edit: Also, with the idea of artifacts going to Hero Classes, where does that leave the non-hero classes? The purchasable artifacts are decent for leveling and such, but suck for end-game and stuff. If each Hero Class were to get a nice artifact uber-weapon, shouldn't the old-school classes, which have been played, leveled, and worked on for years, be given some nice lovin' too?

Plus, it would kinda defeat the purpose of getting new gear if, say, Death Knights get this artifact weapon that pwns everything through the next Xpac, and they never need to change weapons, leaving others lagging behind.

It's an interesting idea, but ultimately, I think it won't work out.